For a detailed comparison of all of Nikon’s Series-E lenses, click here!
Completing my exploration of the prime lenses in Nikon’s “consumer-rated” Series-E’s, the 28mm E fills the last focal length hole: wide angle. When used on a film or full-frame camera, this lens behaves similar to how an 18mm lens would on APS-C, or a 14mm on m4/3. Unfortunately, due to the crop factors of smaller sensors, this lens instead performs like a short normal (42mm FoV on APS-C) or a long normal (56mm on m4/3). This presents a bit of a challenge in use, as on the NEX-7, the 28mm E isn’t wide enough to normally “get everything in”, nor is it long enough to have any reach. However, the 35mm-50mm general FoV is rather useful for a “walk-around” perspective such as in street photography, so there are still applications for an odd-man-out like this.
There is GREAT news for those still wanting to get wide-angle performance out of this lens: when used with the NEX-7’s built in “sweep panorama” feature (or when shots are manually stitched), a noticeably wider view is obtained, both in vertical and horizontal orientation. More on that at the end. Is the 28mm E a lens I can recommend? Let’s find out!
Specifications
Full Name: Nikon 28mm 1:2.8 Series-E (lacks the Nikkor designation)
Dimensions: 1.75 inches/44.5mm long, 2.5 inches/62.5mm in diameter, with a weight of 5.5 ounces/155 grams. Weight and compact-wise, the 28mm E is in the same league as the 35mm E and 50mm E.
Close-Focus: Marked at 1 foot/.3 meters. You can’t really get any closer. This is disappointing, as though the 35mm E can be a “poor-man’s macro” with the same 1 foot close-focus, the 28mm can’t “get as close” due to the wider focal length.
Miscellaneous: 7 straight-bladed aperture, stopping down to f/22, 52mm filter thread, metal mount. As mentioned, the FoV on APS-C is 42mm, and 56mm on m4/3.
Close-focus adds about half a centimeter to the length of the lens. Pardon the dust. 🙂
The “Feel”
The 28mm E shares many of the same characteristics of “shootability” found in most of the other Series-E lenses. It is:
- Small
- Lightweight
- Built well with smooth operation
- Optically favorable at and near optimum aperture
Unfortunately the 28mm E is not a cheap lens compared to some of the other primes in the same series. It took some serious hunting on eBay to get my copy for $72/€59. Most all copies, especially those in excellent condition, go for at least $100/€82.
Aesthetically, the 28mm E looks great! Donning the faux-chrome grab ring, indicative my copy is of the cosmetically-revised 2nd version of the Series-Es, the lens looks very much like its larger AI-s counterpart. With a construction of about half-plastic (not cheapo plastic though) and half metal, the 28mm E isn’t as well built as the AI-s’, but still feels tight and snappy. Just as with the other Series-E primes, focusing is super smooth, but with a short travel (about 40 degrees–good for quick focus acquisition, bad for critical focusing).
Performance
Summary
Coming from the previously-reviewed 100mm E with its amazing optical performance and value, I’m a bit disappointed with the 28mm E overall. Though it is by no means a “bad” lens, I was just expecting a little more given the market price. Areas such as corner sharpness, distortion, and flare performance leave much to be desired. At the same time, center sharpness is always good, while the “shootability” of this 5.5 ounce lens is great! Shooting this lens at or near optimum is recommended—because of the focal length and not-so-fast maximum aperture, getting subject separation is only possible near close-focus.
Sharpness
Though sharpness is supposed to be only a small component in a lens’ performance, many feel it is the deciding factor between a good or bad optic. I personally fall somewhere in the middle. I love seeing pixel-level sharpness (especially with a 24MP sensor), but it isn’t terribly important that all my shots are sharp when viewing at 100% on screen. With that in mind, I have tested the 28mm E to have “okay” sharpness overall, with good contrast in the optimum aperture range. Before we get started, I must note focus shift isn’t bad with this lens, but field curvature is noticeable at larger apertures.
Focus distance for these tests was about 2 feet. This test chart prints well above 300 dpi on an 8×12. The file can be found at the site at the top of the chart. It technically prints at 12×18 at 300 dpi, but the prints I try making at that size do not come out sharp enough for lens tests.
Onto some 100 % center crops (meaning, clicking on them will not make them any bigger), by aperture:
f/2.8
f/4
f/5.6
f/8
f/11
f/16
f/22
Starting wide-open, detail is pretty soft and contrast is low due to veiling haze. At f/4, sharpness and contrast have improved to a good degree. Sharpness increases again at f/5.6–at this aperture contrast has peaked. By f/8, optimum sharpness has been reached, while contrast has started to decline (but is still good). From f/11 on, diffraction sets in, limiting both sharpness and contrast, with f/22 appearing about the same as wide-open. Center resolution on the 28mm E holds up pretty well, save for the far extremes of the aperture range. Unless the situation calls for maximum light hitting the sensor, or a greater depth-of-field up close is required, I would stay from f/5.6-11 for best center sharpness.
Corner sharpness is where everything falls apart. By aperture:
Left: f/2.8 Right: f/4
Left: f/5.6 Right: f/8
Left: f/11 Right: f/16
f/22
Ouch…these look bad. Detail from wide open to f/5.6 goes from terrible to bad, though contrast improves at each f-stop. F/8 could be considered optimum, with sharpness and contrast getting as good as it will ever get. At f/11 detail is about the same as f/8, though contrast has started to decline. Diffraction begins at f/16, and f/22 is about the same as f/5.6. What surprises me is the 28mm E was designed to cover a 35mm full-frame. With corner performance this bad on APS-C, I’d hate to see some 100% crops from a modern FF Nikon. If corner performance is of any importance to your shooting, stick to f/8-11 for the best results. Even then, this is not a lens that gets close to sharp-across-the-frame performance. For critical landscape shots, I would pass on the 28mm E.
Sharpness at Infinity
Unfortunately the same performance characteristics follow to the maximum focusing distance. Although the optimum aperture overall is still f/8 (with great center detail), corner detail obviously lags behind. To assess infinity sharpness I shot this uninspiring telephone pole with tiny orange numbers inscribed on the side:
The little orange strip in the center is the target area for sharpness assessment.
And for the 100% crops:
Center crop is left, corner crop is right
The difference in detail here is plainly visible. Whereas the center is nice and sharp, the corner looks out-of-focus by comparison (and no, it’s not out-of-focus). Again, for critical landscapes, this isn’t your best lens, by a longshot.
Of course, I don’t really care if a lens isn’t tack-sharp at the pixel level for general photography, as long as it doesn’t affect photographs on the image level.
Colors at Sundown
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/5 (tripod)
Sharpness at Macro
Compared to the 35mm E with the same close-focus distance, the 28mm E really can’t get that close. Sure, 1 foot is close up by distance terms, but due to the wide angle, everything still looks relatively far away. That said, sharpness at close focus is still great in the center, but just so-so in the corners.
As close as you can get
In this 100% center crop at f/8, detail is great, and contrast is pretty “poppy”. To get better across-the-frame resolution, f/11 is the best choice, however contrast takes a (minor) hit.
If you are looking for a “poor-man’s macro”, I would definitely recommend the 35mm E over this lens. The 35mm is a bit sharper (especially across the frame), has a greater reproduction ratio, and is cheaper.
The Trifecta
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/250
Seen here in this cropped (from the bottom of a vertical capture) shot, f/11 would have probably served me better to get better sharpness since the image is closer to the edge of the frame. Even the static flowers (the one’s that are in focus, anyway), aren’t particularly sharp. And yes, flower quota reached.
Bokeh
“Bokeh” is an artistic term of Japanese origin for the character of anything in the image that is not in focus. Smooth bokeh, where out of focus objects and highlights seem to “melt” into the background, is typically favorable. In regards to the 28mm E, overall bokeh is “good”. Bokeh smoothness is generally pretty good, but the handling of out-of-focus highlights look bad at 100% at a few apertures. Starting first with bokeh smoothness, the following set-up was used for assessment:
In this shot, taken at f/22 for maximum depth-of-field, the Altoids box is set as a focus point, while the russian dolls are arranged from far behind to close in front of the focus zone. Due to the “perspective distortion” of the wider 28mm lens, the small wooden dolls appear as different sizes. They are all the exact same size.
By aperture (NOT 100% crops):
f/2.8
f/4
f/5.6
f/8
Wide-angle lenses aren’t usually known for their bokeh performance (for landscapes, it is often better for everything to be in focus), so the 28mm E’s pretty good performance here is welcome. Backgrounds at all apertures are generally smooth, while foregrounds are smooth as well save for some doubling at f/5.6. Granted, the only times you’ll ever see bokeh like this is at or near close-focus.
As far as highlights are concerned, there are a couple apertures to avoid when out-of-focus highlights are in the frame (i.e. again only at close-focus). To assess bokeh highlights, a sparkled decoration was photographed to get the maximum number of point sources of light in a small space. By aperture:
Left: f/2.8 Right: f/4
Left: f/5.6 Right: f/8
If smooth, non-distracting highlights are a priority in your photograph, you may want to forget about f/2.8 and f/8 (past f/8 highlights quickly become point sources of light again). At f/2.8 highlights have an obvious ring around the highlight, while at f/8 artifacts inside the highlight are noticeable. From f/4-5.6, bokeh highlights could be considered as “good”, at least by comparison. Do note that the only times the distracting highlights at f/2.8 and f/8 will be so is when viewing at 100% like we are doing here or printing very big (12×18 or more).
Purple Fringing
A form of chromatic abberation (a type of distortion where certain colors do not hit the image sensor at the same convergence point), purple fringing is typically seen in fast lenses at their wider apertures when shooting scenes of high contrast, such as branches against sky. Though purple fringing can be cleaned up very well in post processing nowadays, it is still an important point to take into consideration if one either doesn’t have the time to post process, or has purple objects in the frame that does not want to be desaturated. To assess purple fringing, I used this scene of high contrast:
All 100% crops taken from the center in this worst-case scenario. Each shot was overexposed by 2 f-stops.
By aperture:
f/2.8–Pretty terrible purple fringing. Paired with the low detail from shooting wide-open, this amount of fringing is not only noticeable (possibly on the image level), but rather difficult to correct.
f/4–Much, MUCH better than wide-open. What little fringing is left is easy to correct
f/5.6–Purple fringing completely gone.
If you are needing to shoot tree branches against the sky at f/2.8 (for whatever reason), don’t use this lens. Remember, these tests are the absolute worst-case scenario. In actual shooting purple fringing isn’t typically as prevalent, but can be very noticeable in some instances. That said, here’s a quick attempt at remedying this fringing wide-open:
Purple fringing from the middle branch (the one in focus) has been removed, but a (less noticeable) grey haze is left over. A +12 (out of 20) correction was needed.
Longitudinal Chromatic Aberration
Longitudinal Chromatic Aberration (also known as “bokeh fringing”, abbreviated LoCA) is another form of aberration that is mainly prevalent on large aperture lenses in areas that are out-of-focus (hence the bokeh designation). A lens that suffers from LoCA has objects in the background tinged with green, while objects in the foreground are tinged with purple. Stopping down a lens only marginally helps in reducing LoCA’s, as all stopping down really does in most instances is bring more objects into focus (anything out of focus will still have the aberration). Usually the purple hue on foreground objects is of a different hue than purple fringing, so foreground LoCA can be very difficult to remove in post-processing. Fortunately, Lightroom 4 also has a dedicated aberration slider for the green hue, so at least foreground LoCA’s can be removed easily. If you take a look again at the “fixed” image for purple fringing in the last point, you can see very easily that the upper branch has some purple LoCA left over, while the branch at the bottom has a bit of green LoCA. I must point out that purple fringing is technically a form of LoCA, but is often treated and thought of as a separate fault in lenses (hence my adherence with the norm). Anyways, here is a minute’s worth attempt at fixing these other aberrations:
Though all the aberrations have been fixed, due to the further degradation of detail from the editing (combined with the already low-resolution f/2.8), there’s now not much image to save.
Flare
One of the ways Nikon produced many of the Series-E’s cheaper than their AI-s counterparts was to only single-coat the elements. Lenses that are single-coated tend to not have very good flare control due to many internal lens reflections. Nikon eventually started to give multi-coating to some of the later Series-E’s, but most only got the single treatment. My copy of the 28mm E is definitely single-coated. Not only are there numerous flare artifacts visible when the sun is within 180 degrees of the front element, but the artifacts with the sun in the frame are awful. See the below short video for an idea of what to expect to see at various angles. Shot in black and white to bring out the reflections against the blue sky:
There is also a blue and red “hotspot” at just the wrong angle:
The small hotspot is visible in the lower left quadrant.
Unfortunately much of the flare is aperture-dependent. The larger the aperture, the worse the flare:
In this quick test grab (taken at f/4), flare is even worse, with a rainbow-like color. However, it’s great to note contrast-robbing veiling flare isn’t too prevalent.
As you can see, flare control with the 28mm E is pretty bad. If I could help it, I would always make sure to never have the sun anywhere near the frame, at my back when possible.
Vignetting
Vignetting is the look of darkened corners as a result of shooting near the wide open aperture (sometimes photographers add vignetting in post processing for effect). Most full-frame designed lenses tend to have little to no vignetting when used on APS-C or smaller sensors. The 28mm E doesn’t follow this tendency, as wide-open, vignetting may be noticeable in photographs:
Wide-open in this infinity-focused shot of a blank wall, vignetting is very noticeable (seeing it after clicking with a white background makes it stand out even more). A correction of +25 (out of 100) with a move of the midpoint to 15 was required to acquire a uniformly lit frame. At f/4 a +15 correction is needed. Beyond that, vignetting is negligible.
Since I don’t really recommend shooting this lens wide-open anyway (real performance gains start at f/5.6), the vignetting isn’t a real problem.
Distortion
Wide-angle lenses are typically very prone to distortion, almost always of the barrel variety. The 28mm E is the first Series-E I’ve seen with noticeable distortion that may show up in your photographs. Photographs of architecture, or anything with straight lines, is at risk of appearing distorted.
Here in this uncorrected shot of a paneled wall, the moderate barrel distortion can be seen especially at the top and bottom lines. In LR4, a liberal +5 correction is needed to straighten out most of the lines (some waviness remains). Compared with the +/- 1 correction most of the primes I have reviewed need, this distortion is much worse.
That said, distortion in the 28mm E is mostly correctable without much image degradation, so don’t worry too much about shooting objects with straight lines.
Now…let’s hit the old recap. 🙂
Pros and Cons
Pros
- Tight mechanical construction and operation despite the numerous plastic components. The metal mount and filter threads are a great touch.
- Shootability is great, especially at or near optimum aperture.
- Useful short-normal (APS-C) or long-normal (m4/3) field of view, see cons
- Good to great center sharpness at most apertures, with pretty good contrast
- Surprisingly smooth bokeh in many situations (not typical of wide angle lenses)
- Purple fringing negligible at f/4, with other LoCAs not a problem
- When used for panoramas, wide-angle performance can be attained
Cons
- Corner sharpness is awful until it improves to only “fair” at optimum
- Close-focus is disappointingly long
- Ringed/artifacted-filled highlights at f/2.8 and f/8
- Combined with the lack of detail, purple fringing is terrible wide open
- Flare control is about as bad as the 50mm E, but the types of flare in the 28mm E are different
- Noticeable vignetting wide-open
- Noticeable barrel distortion
- Relatively useless lens on m4/3, there are much better alternatives that are faster and better optically
- At a $100+ street price, the 28mm E isn’t a cheap lens compared to the much cheaper 50mm E and 35mm E
Panorama Usage
All NEX cameras have a built-in feature called “Sweep Panorama”. I won’t try explaining it fully, but basically all you have to do is slowly move the camera in a direction of your choice in either vertical orientation (to simulate a wider angled lens) or horizontal orientation (to get the super wide but thin strip panorama) and the camera stitches multiple frames together into one JPEG image. Unfortunately you are forced to use auto ISO and the shutter speed is locked at 1/500 with any non-native lens. Without a doubt the following would have been much better making panoramas the “proper” way (tripod, multiple full-resolution exposures, stitching in post), but I haven’t personally explored that method yet.
Lonesome in the Distance
28mm, ISO 100, f/11, 1/500 (Horizontal Orientation)
Tree Line
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/500 (Vertical Orientation)
Hillside Green
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/500 (Vertical Orientation)
And now for a change of pace, here is a FULL RESOLUTION panorama so you can see the detail that is still captured in this limited in-camera mode. Take note of the farmers in the left bailing hay.
Farmers Near the Highway
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/500 (Horizontal Orientation)
Honestly it is very fun and easy to use the sweep panorama feature, and it makes the 28mm a much more versatile lens. For static subjects, I can simulate a wider field of view when I need it, but have a short normal when I don’t. Best of both worlds.
The Bottom Line
Sometimes it’s better to be blunt: the 28mm E is the worst lens in the Series-E lineup (of the primes, anyway), and one that I can’t justify keeping. Though it has great central sharpness, good bokeh, and very high shootability, the terrible corner sharpness, flare control, and relatively useless (and slow) maximum aperture all hold this lens back. The not-so-cheap street price of $100/€82 doesn’t help the value proposition either. All that said, the 28mm E is by no means a bad lens–but for what I’m wanting (a faster and useful maximum aperture), this optic doesn’t fit the bill.
However, good photographs are hardly ever limited by a lens’ performance. Here’s a couple more samples taken from the same countryside outing when the above panoramas were captured. For more, see my first impressions of the lens.
Faded Red
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/100
Seesawing the Storm Cloud
28mm, ISO 100, f/8, 1/800
Standing as the Tower
28mm, ISO 800, f/22, 1/1250
Well…that’s it for the Series-E primes. What a journey it’s been so far, both technically and artistically. I do feel my thorough examination of each of these lenses has provided the most detailed optical report of the primes on the internet so far. As far as where to go now, I’m going to take a break from the Series-E’s for a little bit and review one of my favorite AI-s lenses next. I won’t spoil what it is yet. 🙂
As always, have a great one guys and gals. Thanks for dropping by!
Matthew Durr Photography 
Hi Matthew,
Great review again, thanks for sharing. Mind you, isn’t the E 28 version made of 5 blades instead of 7 blades?
Frank
Hey there Franklin, glad you liked it!
And I just double checked, there are indeed 7 straight blades on my copy.
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Just bought the 2nd version of one of these after letting my af version go a couple of years ago (same optical formula on the af 1st version). I really valued it’s smooth tones and nice bokeh. Interesting that it’s a poor performer on the NEX7, I loved the AF version on my D2Hs and D200, and Nikon software fixes the CA in the corners (but of course the af version is multi coated, so better against the light…) Looking forward to trying it on my film Nikons, where of course there is no CA problem ;). Will definitely use a hood after your comments!
Keep in mind that (if you’re speaking of the Series-E, not the AI-s, 2nd version) performance on film will probably be much better, since the effective resolution of film is around 18 MP, and there’s no problem with microlenses, etc. that make lenses a tough sell on the NEX-7. Hope it all works out!
Hi, just wanted to ask cos i have no clue but i just got one of these lenses and use it on my old nikon film camera but would love to use it on my dslr canon. Only problem i have no idea what im looking for in terms of a converter/mount to put it on my canon, would you know what its called so i can look around. Any help would be awesome thank you.
Elle
Assuming you have a Canon EF mount camera, you will want to look for a Nikon F–>Canon EF adapter. Check on B&H Photo, Adorama, Amazon, or even eBay. There should be a bunch to choose from. Good luck!
Hi Matthew, i just want to ask about old type lens just like nikon 28mm f/2.8 series e stated above, is it can be autofocus on Sony alpha camera? Or by manual focus ?
Hi Aniq, this lens can be used on any Sony e-mount camera through the use of a Nikon F–>Sony E adapter (no adapter can get it to mount onto a Sony a-mount camera, though). Old lenses like these are manual focus only regardless of adapter or camera used. The wider the focal length, however, the less you need autofocus, so don’t let that put you off. However, the optical performance of this lens was far from stellar, so I would look at other versions aside from the Series-E of the 28mm design from Nikon.
Thanks Matthew! Precious informations!
I got 1 of these on ebay recently for £26 inc shipping and after spending a week or 2 using it i must say i love it, it is not a sharp lens by any means but the bokeh is lovely and smooth and there is just something about the way it renders images that i just love.
Very nice shot Mark, I agree about the rendering. I still own the lens despite shooting faster 50mm’s more often. It’s a very unique and compact lens.
Great review! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
HI Matthew, I got this lens in 1975 when I bought my first Nikon (FM). I understood it was the “cheaper” line and never care too much for it. I used the Micro-Nikkor 55 mm instead all time. I still have it and will like to used it but I do not think the lightmeter will work. Can I turn it into a macro somehow?
Hi there Dani, sorry for the late response. I have read around the internet that many of the AI-s 24mm f/2.8 and 28mm f/2.8 lenses make for extremely nice macro lenses only when used with a reverse adapter (where the rear element is in the front and vice versa). I am completely unsure how well this works, but the results I have seen suggest it can be amazing if done right. That said, it will be something for you to try to see if the 28mm f/2.8 E can work well as a reverse-macro.
Hi, I am bit confused about this:
is Nikon 28mm f/2.8 AI-s and NIKON SERIES E 28mm AIS AI-S f/2.8 the same? I mean the mention of ‘Series E’ makes me bit confused. It would be really great if you could help me out. Thanks.
Regards
Hello there Noni. The 28mm f/2.8 Series-E and 28mm f/2.8 AI-s are not the same lens. In fact, the Series-E is optically inferior to the AI-s in most ways. Be wary of e-Bay sellers trying to upsell the Series-E variant as being optically high-performing like the AI-s version is.
This is a horrible lens and I paid too much for it… Totally useless! Don’t buy this lens please!!! Great review… To bad I didn’t read it before I bought mine.
Hey there Stefan, sorry to hear you got ripped off. This lens unfortunately is often up-sold to unwary buyers who don’t know the differences between the Series-E and AI-s versions.
Hi Matthew. Thanks. Really nice review. It helped to decide to buy this lens – for exactly the same reasons that you decided to get rid of yours. It’s perfect for shooting portraits on a Nikon Df (which has about the same as 35mm film). I really like the veiling at wide apertures, the bokeh and the rainbow flaring without losing contrast. Perfect my purposes. Nikon knew how to make characterful lenses once 🙂
However, “characterfulnes” doesn’t show up much in sharpness tests.
But Nikon are smart enough to know this. So they keep making camera bodies which can make full use of their old lenses.
This is true, the character of lenses is something I never have taken into consideration all that much, possibly aside from my 50mm f/.95 Noktor review. On APS-C though, you don’t get to take advantage of the separation you could get from full frame, so a lot of the potential character is lost on the NEX-7.
Great and thorough review, but I’m a little confused. You said at first that the 28mm on FX behaves like 18mm on ASP-C, but that it performs like 42mm? What does this mean exactly? All of my research tells me that the FoV should be the same with 28mm on FX as 18mm on DX
Hey there Kristine, I looked back at that paragraph and the wording is a little confusing. The lens itself is a 28mm, and has that field of view when used on a full-frame camera. When on a DX/APS-c camera, the field of view of a 28mm lens is equivalent to a 42mm lens on a full-frame camera.
Hello Matthew. Aside from the Series E 28mm lens, do you have any other recommendations of a wide angle prime (in the range of 18mm to 35mm) that is around the size of Series E?
I bought the Series E 100mm and I am very very pleased with it, but I’ve read several articles saying the 28mm is not very good. I have the Series E 50mm as well, and I really have to stop down to f/2.8 to get good image quality.
Hello! For 28mm if you want to stay manual focus, the Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AI-s (not the series-E variant) is a good one to look at, though it usually runs relatively high on eBay for the performance you can expect to get. Wider angle telephotos are a little harder to come by for price/performance. Depending on your camera, you may just have to look at some of the modern autofocus variants that are sold out there. I know Nikon’s and Sony’s 28mm primes are top-notch, though they do come in significantly higher than the AI-s lens.
Thank Matthew for your great review. I am considering to buy a 2nd Nikon 28 2.8 Serie E for my old Nikon FE. I used AIS before and I think that is a great prime wide len Nikon ever made but it’s so expensive for me. So I start looking for an alternative. I tried 28-105, 28-85 afd… those lens are great too but a litte too big for me to carry them running around.I notice that you said this Nikon 28 2.8 seri E will work well on film camera so I think I wil try one.
Best of luck! Sorry for late response.
Hello
I have a question
Does the lens connect to the Nikon d3300?
And if it connects with adapter or without ?
Thanks
Hey there Zavosh, apologies for the late response. The lens will mount to the 3300, but you will not have automatic metering. Will have to shoot in manual. Great way to learn exposure and other settings if you’re just starting to dabble with manual lenses.